Naruto Manga Chapter 512

kabuto1ner

im not gonna lie but some of the things u guys are posting about tobi..makes sense…why would zetsu call him tobi? we all know the first killed madara..and if anything how would madara live that long!? doesnt make any sense, i dont think he has the immortality jutsu or re-animation jutsu like orochimaru cuz orochimaru/kabuto is the only 1 who mastered it…and the thing about tobis sharingan so true..his sharingan is always active just like danzo’s and kakashi..and when itachi fought sasuke itachi said something about the sharingan also drains chakra..so that proves that tobi is a fake!!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Yes, however lets not for get that tobi so far has been full of mysteries we dont know alot about his background besides the fact that he met with itachi, the 4th mizukage, 4th hokage, and kisame. Now if tobi is really Madara that only means that he too knows of an immortality jutsu, perhaps a completed version compaired to orochimaru.
The fact of the matter is, no one knows any truth to this mystery besides the writers, all we can do is make our predictions and pray that we nail it on the head, but however it is interesting to write and see other people predictions and lets not forget about the arguing facts with one another thats always a big laugh…
Gothicdevil_1314

yes i agree with u but remember that if u have a brother with sharingan u can have his eyes planted in your where it does not do has much damage as if u didnt

Dahlmourhenry

Okay here’s wats up, I think u guys are overlooking this madara/Tobi fiasco a little bit too much. Now don’t get me wrong, you guys have very valuable and really hard hitting points, some of them quite agreeable, but lets face it, looking into the world of naruto, it’s not that impossible for a shinobi, especially one of madara’s degree of power, to live an extremely long time. And you really shouldn’t over-exaggerate the fact that zetsu called him tobi, I really don’t think it meant anything for anyone to jump to conclusions. Even if this guy isn’t madara and i really do think he is, but let’s say he’s not, who could it be, surely not anyone from the series now. There are many to be said about this topic, in fact I’m enjoying just reading each and everyone of your inputs on who this guy really is. but trust me, it’s madara, don’t pay attention to the so called evidence, remember madara isn’t like any other uchiha or any other shinobi. In the end all we can do is watch, read and wait, trust me, we’ll find out soon enough.

Dragonclan27

Okay here’s wats up, I think u guys are overlooking this madara/Tobi fiasco a little bit too much. Now don’t get me wrong, you guys have very valuable and really hard hitting points, some of them quite agreeable, but lets face it, looking into the world of naruto, it’s not that impossible for a shinobi, especially one of madara’s degree of power, to live an extremely long time. And you really shouldn’t over-exaggerate the fact that zetsu called him tobi, I really don’t think it meant anything for anyone to jump to conclusions. Even if this guy isn’t madara and i really do think he is, but let’s say he’s not, who could it be, surely not anyone from the series now. There are many to be said about this topic, in fact I’m enjoying just reading each and everyone of your inputs on who this guy really is. but trust me, it’s madara, don’t pay attention to the so called evidence, remember madara isn’t like any other uchiha or any other shinobi. In the end all we can do is watch, read and wait, trust me, we’ll find out soon enough.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

No no i agree with you on somethings but we wont know the real truth until the writer himself decides to show us. But on the other hand it is pretty fun having these kinds of discussions and reading about other peoples predictions. Now I’m not sure if you read rikudusage and myself older posts like from the very beginning but we did bring up some good points, but so did you. If in fact this tobi character is Madara their are still alot of questions that need to be answered. Like where the hell has he been hiding all this time, why didnt he go after naruto in the first place since he was really little if he really wanted the ninetails so badly, and more importantly why is he hiding behind his mask?? What is he still hiding?? I mean if everyone knows that he is indeed Madara whats with all the secrets including kisame, why was it so important to that the man in the shadows alreading admitting that he’s Madara not be revealed?? Their are just so many riddles about this guy its the biggest topic so far in the naruto universe. But you are right on one thing def, all we can do is wait, read and watch, and hopeful all our questions will be answered really soon…

Saiyan Nike

Hey…matthew…..it would,nt be so..kewl.and suspensed ..if what we hav predicted so far becomes….true……if the writer comes …out…to be diffrent….then think ..how kewl..that moment would be…..we all are predicting coz we simply..damn….like ….this naruto series(i wish it never ends and the manga continues even after naruto becomes a hokage)…so i wud rather hope that wat we hav predicted so far proves to be wrong….:D

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Hey saiyan nike, dont get me wrong I love naruto awesome manga/anime ever. I myself wouldnt want it to end either. I hope we are all wrong on everything that everyone including myself have predicted so far. Because so far alot of people and once again including myselves predictions were no where close to the actual truth and its the shocking moment to be proven wrong which makes it that more interesting…

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WYQJHP57LNVVKFDVECAGNJFRUA andew

tobi is probably kabutos dad. Remember in the old series kakashi mention yakushi kabuto was adopted by konohas medical squad leader . And it make sense if orochimaru is friends with the medical squad leader too becos tobi and orochimaru seem like they could be good rivals. ‘becoming immortal, gaining powers, using ppl to help themselves, gathering as much information on others as possible, are also both trying to gain the 1sts and uchihas powers and made progress’. maybe tobi has been thru so much just like orochimaru and is still struggling to stay alive.. cos seriously orochimaru is a persistant vermon, his arms were sealed by the 3rd, kabuto said orochimaru is staying alive on will power alone, sasuke took over him.. and he was able to show up during itachi/sasuke fight, hes even trying to take over kabutos body atm, so theres a good chance he’ll be back. And when kabuto summon that mystery box and tobi was so suprised probably cos he is actually that medical squad leader who took such interest in kabuto when he was little and adopted him, and now that hes grown up is still impressed at how skilled and smart kabuto is.

Big Brother

Tobi is Madara. Obito is just some lame prick who couldnt man up and survive a goddam rock slide so he gave his gayass sharingan to Kakashi. Madara is probably able to stay alive because of some fucking technique, I mean the fool can go between fucking demensions for god sakes. And as for Sasuke and Naruto fighting, Naruto is gunna beat his ass because what is Sasuke going to do? Bring up his Susanoo shit and hide behind it for ever while Naruto goes around throwing rasenshruikan and shit? Sasukes Susanoo’s arrows wont be fast enough to hit Naruto in 9-tailed form. Plus Naruto has like the back up of hella ninjas, Garaa, Kakashi, Guy, all the kages… Fuck the tailed beast, the lame ass Akatsuki could capture them in their host so they aint gunna be shit. And the “unknown coffin” that Kabuto brought up has to be one of three choices: The 1st Hokage, or Madara’s Brother, or a unknown character that we’ve yet to meet. It isnt going to be some kage because they all suck and aint shit when you compare them to a level of Madara or Naruto. FUCK OBITO. HES SOME FAG THAT GOT RAILED BY ROCKS. SUCKS MY SHITT

rikudusage

Matthew have a great point on sasuke killing zetsu’s clone not the real danzo….also i couldn’t agree with him more on tobi working with orochimaru…. i think somewhere it was said that danzo and orochimaru worked together… it was orochimaru who gave danzo 1st hokage’s dna…. and orochimaru might have implanted the sharingan eyes in his body as well… so tobi could be danzo… i didnt mean tobi is using two bodies.. one tobi and the other danzo (as killer shinobi said…) i meant when this guy puts up a bandage he is danzo and when he puts a mask he is tobi… he is the same guy in two different disguise.. may be it is danzo who is putting a mask in the name of tobi…
well lets see… danzo is a man who has political and leadership capabilties.. he is a man who controled “the root” a special anbu.. which is his own army… he is a man who believes in war… he was the one who competed for the title of 3rd hokage with the 3rd hokege sarutobi (of course)… and lost (of course).. but he never gave up… he really wanted to be a hokage… so he gets in contact with orochimaru and tries experiments to get more power he might have got the 1sts dna then.. and also sharingan eye…but when minato (naruto’s dad), the yellow flash, became hokage…. he knew he had no chance of being the hokage as log as minato lived… cuz minato was a real bad ass.. and his flying thunder god was invincible… so when kushina (naruto’s mom) was giving birth to naruto… danzo thought this could be his chance to get rid of minato…. he puts on a mask and unleashes the ninetails on konoha… he knew minato wud protect the village from the ninetails.. he wasnt worried that the village might be destroyed..(like when pain attacked the village.. he was calm..and told his subbordinates not to worry cuz tsunade wud protect the ppl for him to rule).. (and the masked guy didnt want to capture the ninetails at that time… cuz if he wanted he would have done it that time.. he didnt show any intent).. the only purpose behind it was to get rid of the 4th hokage… so danzo is in someway of succesfull in doing that but the third takes the hokage’s place again and danzo subsides for another period… at that time he didnt know the secrets of uchiha.. so he didnt know about the jyuubi.. and the moon eye jutsu….and when he assists itachi in eliminating the uchiha clan..( remember itachi was a member of anbu then so he cud have been in conact with danzo).. finds out secrets of uchiha and all… so he sets his goal higher this time.. he wants to take the world in his control..( as danzo is a power hungry man…).. from then he’s been plannig to take the world… he hears of the rinnegan..goes to amekagure and confronts yahiko and nagato.. in the name of tobi….he forms akatsuki with them….he meets zetsu and all(or he might have come in contact with zetsu before that) ….and the rest is as u know….
So danzo cud be tobi.. cuz danzo is mastermind like tobi… danzo believes in war like tobi… danzo is power hungry freak who wants to be “the” leader like tobi…
so this is what i think ppl… wonder what kisimoto wud think if he read my posts… he wud probably laugh his ass out and roll on the floor…lol…

#1narutofan23

jesus christ!! show the damn fightin already!!!!!!! this is gettin borin

rikudusage

when is my post gonna publish???????

rikudusage

oh well may be i ‘ll have to write the whole thing again

rikudusage

ok… mathew made a great point that it could be zetsu’s clone that sasuke killed…. and tobi might have worked together with orochimaru… well in some point of the series it is said that danzo had worked with orochimaru and it was orochimaru who gave danzo the 1st hokage’s dna ….and it might be orochimaru who implanted the sharingan eyes for danzo….
danzo is a man who seeks power… he is the founder of “the root”… that is.. his own personal anbu troop… he was the man who competed for the title of the 3rd hokage with the 3rd hokge sarutobi (of course)… and he lost… but he never gave up… he really wanted to be the hokage…. so after he failed to be the 3rd hokage he comes in contact with orochimaru to gain more power… during that time orochimaru gives him the 1st hokage’s dna…. and also may be a sharingan eye….. but then minato (naruto’s dad), the yellow flash of konoha becomes the fourth hokage…. and danzo knows till minato is alive he cannot be the next hokage cuz.. minato is the most powerful ninja of that time and his flying thunder god tech is invincible… so he makes a plan to eliminate minato… when kushina(naruto’s mom) is giving birth to the baby (naruto).. danzo puts on a mask.. and unleashes the nine tails..( only few people in konoha knew where kushina was giving birth to naruto… so with his spies and contacts danzo must’ve found out).. he is not worried about the village…cuz he knows minato wont let the nine tails destroy the village.. minato will die protecting it…( like when pain attacks konoha.. danzo is not worried at all that konoha might be destroyed… he is calm and tells his subordinate that tsunade will protect the people for him to rule…)..( and the masked man had no intent to capture the nine tails at that time… if he was after the nine tails then it was a good opportunity for him to do that…. cuz it is mentioned in the series that the beasts with jinchhuriki are more powerful than the ones without any jinchhuriki..).. the only puropse behind unleasing the ninetails wass to get rid of minato.. which danzo is some what successful in doing… but then again the 3rd takes over and danzo being already injured by minato.. subsides… later when he assists ithachi to eliminate the uchiha clan..he finds the secrets of the uchiha…the jyuubi… moon eye jutsu and all… ( at that time itachi was working for the anbu so he should have been in contact with danzo…)… so danzo has a new goal… a higher objective that is to take over the world… from then on he has been planning.. at some point he must have heard about the rinnegan… so he goes to amekagure and confronts yahiko and nagato as tobi.. and joins akatsuki but he works from the shadows without letting any other person know about his involvment with akatsuki… and then he meets zetsu and all ( may be he met zetsu before that..) and rest is as u know…
so danzo may be using a mask in the name of tobi… as he purposely called himself as madara uchiha to delude people into wrong direction…. delusion… an art of war… and danzo a person who believes in war…
danzo is a mastermind so is tobi… danzo believes in war so does tobi… danzo is hungry for power so is tobi…
so danzo could be tobi…
but there are of course some weakness in this theory… but its just a theory none the less..
i dont know what kisimoto wud think if he read my post… he might laugh till he falls on the floor and roll around…..
but kisimoto gives clues beforehand…like naruto has those wiskers like thing on his face… we didnt know why it was there until he showed that naruto’s mom was nine tails’ jinchuuriki…. and nagato and kushina(naruto’s mom) both had red hair.. we hadnt even suspected that they were both from uzumaki clan… no one ever suspected why danzo had bandage all over his body…only later he reveals that dazo had implanted sharingan eyes… so kismoto always comes up with a new twist and i know he will make a fool out of me ….but its fun trying to find the clues that he leaves and guess what it means….

rikudusage

shit is again said my comment need to be checked by a moderator ….

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Lol what were you too graphical with your comments rikudusage??
- rikudusage
  
  nah i wasnt too graphical…. ok a little bit on the first but the second time i wrote it like a saint would.. not even a single “shit” word…. may be i was spot on with my theory so kisimoto stopped it from publishing… ha ha …. oh well….
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew
    
    Haha i agree the 4th was a badass… Hey now back to the other conversation, Tobi, now that I went thru the manga’s “HE” might in fact be the real madara after all or the older orginal son of the Sage of the Six Paths!!! Only reason im mentioning him now is because it would make some what sense on how, if he did in fact implant the rinnegan in Nagato on how he got the eyes in the first place. Dont forget once he got them back kabuto said “You got yourself a nice set of eyes in return”, Tobi replied “They were mine to begin with” another clue. But thats just a small theory, I think that Tobi’s got a better shot being Madara than the oldest son of the sage….
    But anyways i want to talk also about a man named Zetsu. I had a theory about Tobi, since he has this ability of yin and yang, and good knowlegde of medical ninjutsu for some reason I think Zetsu was created!! Just as orochimaru created captain yamato. They shown the villages of everyone else in the akatsuki but nothing on him. He has the abilities of very weird jutsus and some are still mysteries itself. First time us being introduced to Tobi is when he was with Zetsu after the death of sasori, after that, we all know that Zetsu is pretty much Tobi’s right had man he say jump and Zetsu says how high. But I feel Zetsu plays a much bigger role than what we’ve seen so far…
- rikudusage
  
  on the first i wrote 4th hokage as a “real badass”… and on the second i wrote him as the ” most powerful ninja of the time”….. i dont think that should have had to be “moderated..”

clockerz

wow you people have wild imaginations, so far I hav’nt seen any comment come close to what really happens in the naruto episodes. The creator probably reads your comments and says “I’ll show them” lmfao :O !!!
Kishimoto even stated that Sakura would probably marry Naruto before Hinata. AND REMEMBER MANGA 469? I actually saw this coming.

theninjabehindyou

what’s the song that’s playing when madara shows kabuto the army of zetsus?

Uzumaki Rygee

tobi is not Madara as he says. Anyone who has read the Manga up to this point should reread 489-490. THe scene between Tobi and Kabuto hints that Tobi is not MAdara in several ways. When Kabuto summons the last coffin that scares the sht out of Tobi he says tobi has no choice but to accept the offer and join forces and also mentions that tobi can relax because he hasnt told anybody. I believe Kabuto summned the real Madara Uchiha. Furthermore as they are about to leave, kabuto calls tobi by the full name Uchiha Madara , and tobi calls him a “wise guy”…. Proof? you decide.I dont really have a good guess who he is( maybe nobody from the manga thus far although that would kinda disappoint me) but regardless of who Tobi is, we know he is pretty much a badass. I think Kabuto knows who he is and hes probably the only one who really does, still kabuto must respect him to want to join forces rather than just try to defeat Tobi to get Sasuke. This proves whoever Tobi is hes really strong. Akatsuki has more power at this point than they ever had. THeyre gonna destroy the joint Shinobi force at first. think sasuke will have to kill Kabuto somehow. Narutos gonna have to fight sasuke maybe defeat him or maybe hell be able to change his mind( recurring theme of the manga) And Naruto and Tobi will fight in the end(because Tobi wants power of Sage THe Six Paths. Naruto takes on the appearance of the sage when he unleashes the 9tails power( probably cuz he has at least one of the six paths) and Tobi has at least 1 cuz he said Nagato+the rinnegan were one)Tobi needs narutos power. he needs the ninetails to bring back the ten-tails and once he brings it back he will try to make himself the Jinchuriki( but i believe he needs all 6 paths to control it) Naruto will become even more powerful and in the end probably defeat Tobi and Gain the power of all 6 paths of the sage. Naruto would not want to be the 10 tail Jinchuriki and would split the power up into the 9 tailed beasts. OR maybe Sasuke will change his mind and join Naruto THen they DESTROY Tobi together

rikudusage

Danzo is a man who believed in war like tobi…. he is mastermind like tobi…he craves to be “the leader” like tobi…. and if u had noticed during tobi vs konan… after some part of his mask is destroyed we could see bandages on tobi’s forehead like…ur guess…. danzo… coincidence i don’t think so… there is a lot of confusion about tobi’s true identity… but in my opinion danzo comes closest …

rikudusage

…danzo goes to amekagure… and confronts yahiko and nagato….as madara/tobi…. he joins the akatsuki but works from the shadows … he keeps hidden not letting any other person know about his involvement with akatsuki… then he meets zetsu …. he then hears about a moster … one of the seven shinobi swordsman of the mist… so he plans to get kisame on his side with zetsu and manages to do so…. and rest is as u know..

rikudusage

.. later the uchiha clan plans for a coup d’état…. and itachi is chosen to eliminate the uchiha… and danzo assists itachi to do that…( at that moment itachi was a member of anbu so he might have been in contact with danzo…).. while doing that he finds the uchiha’s secret…. and learns about the jyuubi (ten tails..)… from then on he sets his eye on the world instead of the leaf village.. then at some time he hears about the rinnegan…

rikudusage

…( also the masked man doesn’t show any intent to capture the ninetails…. if he wanted the nine tails than that would have been a good opportunity .. cuz a tailed beast is stonger when it is with a jinchuuriki than without one….).. the only purpose behind unleashing the nine tails is to weaken minato and ultimately get rid of him…. which danzo is more or less successful in doing but he gets hurt in the process… so he subsides his mission for a while and the 3rd hokage takes over…

rikudusage

..he puts on a mask….. takes naruto as hostage… and unleashes ninetails on konoha….( only few people knew where kushina was going to give birth to naruto… so danzo might have used his spies and contacts to find out…)… but danzo is not worried about the village being destroyed…cuz he knows minato won’t let that happen…(..like when pain attacks konoha… he is not worried at all… he stays calm and tells one of his subordinates that tsunade will protect the people for him to rule… ).

rikudusage

but then minato namikaze( naruto’s dad) becomes the 4th hokage… danzo know until minato is alive he got absolutely no chance of being the hokage…. cuz minato was a real badass… his flying thunder god technique is invincible…. danzo knows if he goes one on one with minato he’ll get his ass whooped… so he waits for the perfect time to strike…. and the time comes when kushina (naruto’s mom) gives birth to naruto….

rikudusage

ok Mathew made a good point that it might be zetsu’s clone that sasuke killed during danzo vs sasuke….. and I could not agree with him more that tobi might have worked together with orochimaru…… which made me think that at some point in the series it is said that danzo worked with orochimaru… and it was orochimaru who gave danzo the 1st hokage’s dna… and may be orochimaru implanted sharingan eyes on danzo….. …ok danzo is a power hungry freak who wanted to be a hokage… he’s the leader of “the root” .. special anbu force controlled by danzo… it is his personal army…. he grew up competing with the 3rd hokage … and eventually he competed with the third hokage for the title but he lost… but he didn’t gave up…. so he comes in contact with orochimaru to gain more power… tries weird experiments… gets 1st hokage’s dna fused in his body and also a sharingan eye….

rikudusage

finally got everything through…phew…. ok guys read from top to bottom…. all of my posts…

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Haha i agree the 4th was a badass… Hey now back to the other conversation, Tobi, now that I went thru the manga’s “HE” might in fact be the older orginal son of the Sage of the Six Paths!!! Only reason im mentioning him now is because it would make some what sense on how, if he did in fact implant the rinnegan in Nagato on how he got the eyes in the first place. Dont forget once he got them back kabuto said “You got yourself a nice set of eyes in return”, Tobi replied “They were mine to begin with” another clue. But thats just a small theory, I think that Tobi’s got a better shot being Danzo than the oldest son of the sage….
But anyways i want to talk also about a man named Zetsu. I had a theory about Tobi, since he has this ability of yin and yang, and good knowlegde of medical ninjutsu for some reason I think Zetsu was created!! Just as orochimaru created captain yamato. They shown the villages of everyone else in the akatsuki but nothing on him. He has the abilities of very weird jutsus and some are still mysteries itself. First time us being introduced to Tobi is when he was with Zetsu after the death of sasori, after that, we all know that Zetsu is pretty much Tobi’s right had man he say jump and Zetsu says how high. But I feel Zetsu plays a much bigger role than what we’ve seen so far…
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew
  
  But thats all in theory…
- rikudusage
  
  lol jump…. and how high… yeah ur right so far zetsu’s background is still not revealed… he has two parts…and come to think of it … there were sakon and ukon in sound four…. they were combined too…. but not like zetsu of course… so there is a chance that zetsu could be an outcome of a some experiment…. right now he is tobi’s army along with kabuto… so there could be alot more to zetsu’s abilities….
  so far we’ve predicted many people who might be tobi…. if kisimoto is reading all these posts he may have hard time trying to prove us all wrong…lol… and i would commite suicide if tobi turns out to be madara in the end….lol…
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew
    
    Haha this is true. But at this point anything is possible, I just want to see the awesome battles yet to come lol
  - rikudusage
    
    yeah most feasome battles are yet to come… but have u noticed… kisimoto always gives small details up ahead before something big is revealed…like the whisker like thing on naruto’s face… we didnt know what the hell was that that until he revealed that naruo’s mom was ninetails jinchuuriki…. and nagato and naruto’s mom’s red hair… a trademark of uzumaki…. jiraiya sama’s face was funny when he was in sage mode during his battle with pain.. i thought in sage mode one has frog like appearance… later it was revealed that he didnt mastered it perfectly like naruto did…meaning naruto surpassed him…. and danzo had the bandages all around his body only later to reveal that he had sharingans implanted all over him….
    so there might be some clues he might have left… but like before we wudnt know until he reveals it himself…
    and thats awesome about naruto series…..
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew
    
    True we wont find out until he finally shows us but it is always nice to keep guessing, predict and jump to conclusions sometimes. Especially when it comes to attention to details….
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew
    
    Well rikudusage I have great proof that Tobi its not Danzo after all watch episode 142 when Tobi meets up with Kisame. He takes off his make and for two secs you see the bottom of his chin with no marks on it. However Danzo had that X scar on his chin….
  - rikudusage
    
    ha ha nice catch…ur right… and also when tobi gives some explainations to konan… he says something that there were those (apparently danzo) who couldnt control hashirama’s power and boasted incomplete form of izanagi… so my bad… i admitt tobi can not be danzo…. and i have to say he must be an uchiha after all…. that omitts one of the suspects… lol
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew
    
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http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Well their goes Danzo theory out the door lol that was some awesome points about Danzo and ill have to back you up 100% on that. Some very good points their rikudusage…
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Ok… Now this is going to sound totally stupid and a no way in hell possibility, but ” What If ” the Uchiha clan wasn’t assasinated???? What if it was suppose to look like one??? Now hear me out on this one, some how Tobi got to the uchiha special forces including itachi’s father and informed them of the leaf villages intentions? All of the members including somehow Tobi come up with an idea to stage their deaths and go into hiding.. This is where Zetsu would come into play. Being able to multiply alot as we seen so far, I mean I dont see why he can’t turn himself into all the remaining members of the Uchiha clan… I just find it very hard to beleive that Itachi and Tobi killed off an entire clan, this being one of the strongest clans in history. And their trying to say that no one could’ve stopped them?? Sound a little fishy to me. I mean “if” Tobi is Madara, Madara loved his clan and did everything for it. Sure they turned their back on him but I find it really hard believe that he really would agree to the complete extinction of his own clan…
And here’s matthews final thought about Tobi…. He is actually either Madara…. Or more than anyone likely Izuna…… Me personally i’m leaning more towards Izuna because theirs just to much evidence that proves that its really not Madara, but this naruto series is full of suprises….
- rikudusage
  
  didnt see that coming…lol..thats some awsome theory u’ve made… i take my words back that i’ll committ suicide if tobi turned out to be madara…. lol… its a bit unrealistic that how two people (itachi and “madara”), even though they were the most gifted of the uchiha clan, could wipe out the entire clan in a single night… and madara was known for his loyality to his clan…so it doesnt sound realistic for him to totally anhilate his clan… but if it was all just a set up then why did they leave sasuke behind… there is something more to it… great work matthew by bringing this up…

Chaozdemz

Who Is Tobi?
( MY OPINION NOT SAYING ITS TRUE BUT IT COULD BE)
Tobi could be Obito.
There was no proof of tobi being madara.
Madara was a uchiha legend.
who knows maybe obito did survive the rock slide.
maybe he went to madara’s grave and took his eyes. WHO KNOWS.
but for me tobi is obito.
Look at his Hair. Look at the screws on his body. ( screws help you heal on whats broken on the bone)

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Well chaozdemz, the mystery is really still up in the air, its anyone’s ball game sorta speak. I used to think it was Obito as well not that im not ruling that out, but I also thought it was Shisui Uchiha, Itachi’s best friend who staged his death. Only because he was a master at the body flicker tech, and had the ability of mind control. Something Tobi has been shown to do serval times now. But than again I thought it was Obito, not for the same hair cut but for the face that kakashi has that warping ability, who’s not to say that its modified do to the fact that kakashi’s not an Uchiha??
- rikudusage
  
  i thought tobi was obito too… cuz of his haircut… name connection… and the jutsu he uses.. similar to kakashi’s Kamui… but then i thought tobi was a good guy… why would he do that???? as we know he was a kind boy.. he cared about his village and his comrades…. how did he survive the rock slide??? and if he did survive who could have spurred him to turn bad cuz its tobi or so called madara doing all the spurring thing turning people on his side… and if obito was tobi then why didnt he go after kakashi to get his eye back??? After all if he is has a huge collection of eye, he would probably want his original eye, wouldn’t he.. well may be he cant do it becoz he gave his eye as a gift to his former team mate, kakashi, for being a jounin… he hated war so may be he is doing this to end the war by controlling the world with the ultimate genjutsu… and establishing so called peace….(like how pain wanted to bring peace through war…. who knows

ddt

ok guys i think tobi is madara because
1.lets start from the beginning madara fought the 1st during that battle he summon the 9 nine tails and we all know now that the masked guy tobi summon the nine tails on the village only a few were strong enuff to tame the nine tails like that 1st madara and probably 4th
2.4th said himself he thinks its madara because of how powerful he was (basically saying theres no 1 he knows that can do what tobi just did)
3.he uses space/time ninjutsu when he fought with the 4th. the current tobi uses the exact same techinque
4.itachi believed he was madara and we all know the things itachi did was all for the village and for the sake of sasuke so i dont think he would lie about that
5.he revealed himself to kisame when he was controling the 4th mizukage
6.lets say he isnt madara for now so why does he know so much about madaras past i mean he tells us about him growing up stealing his brothers eyes fighting the 1st, tells sasuke about how his clan died about itachi lifes, talks bout sage of the 6 paths and the yin and yang brothers
7.loyalty. madara was the leader of his clan and his loyalty to the uchiha was great he did everything for it. tobi is now wearing his new cloak with uchiha crest on the back this shows he represents uchiha
8.during this manga u see the 1st hokage tobi said he had taken the 1st powers how? im not sure im guessing from his tissue but apparently he had a tissue of the 1st planted in his hide out and it grew into a tree that takes the appearence of the 1st how does tobi get a tissue from the 1st if he never fought him?
9.after he gets the rinnegan u can see he has a fan lookin weapon the exact same weapon madara uses
u guys can think what u want but i think its madara i may be wrong because the writers tend to make u believe something only to surprise u its not which makes it a good and interesting but for now im gonna say tobi is madara

Arbber

i think the same way as you buddy. tobi is madara for sure
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DN2HPS36VLQPJBMFWDNYESDP3Q Irving

O_o its obvious hes madara.O_O
dont knw why your having this discussion.

it was already revealed
- ddt
  
  i think its madara but alot of ppl doesnt so yea
rikudusage

you’ve got good points there ddt… but if there are points which hint that tobi is madara then there are some points that tobi might not be madara as he claims to be..
1. the converstion with kabuto….( kabuto says to tobi- excuse me..you go by madara these days and – you can relax i havent told a soul…)
2. zetsu calling him tobi in front of kabuto… when all other time he called him by madara
3. tobi sacrificed his left eye when he used izangi against konan… he broke the other half of his mask to do that… this means he wants to protect his right eye… well thats suspicious cuz if he was madara… it wouldnt matter which eye he sacrificed cuz madara had both eyes… and if he was madara he would not sacrifice any of his original eyes instead he would have planned to use izanagi by implanting eye on other parts of body…
4. tobi is claiming to be madara and he has told everyone that he is madara so whats the point of using the mask…. why is it so important for him to hide his face…. i dont think he uses mask to hide his aging of hundred years..
5. orochimaru also had hashirama senju’s dna… he fused it with yamato and danzo.. and on danzo arm there was an impression of a face which must be senju’s
6. if tobi was madara why would he assist itachi to totally anhilate the uchiha clan .. as u said madara was loyal to his clan…
so still a lot of confusion on tobi’s identity..but my opinion tobi is not madara…
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew
  
  Yea you both have some igood arguments. But Im gonna have to lean more with rikudusage on this one. Sure it could be Madara with all your info ddt, however theirs been more evidence pointing towards that Tobi might not be Madara. Watch carefully at episode 136 sasuke vs. itachi. Read very carefully at what itachi tells sasuke. Their is something very important itachi is trying to say about Tobi hinting wise of what he is. I haven’t yet figured it out, but once I do ill def post it. If you guys figure it out before I do by all means post away lol…
- ddt
  
  i guess ur right too there r lots of things we cant explain rite now but in my opinion if its not madara then i have no idea who it can be cuz i dont think its danzo obito at all it could be his bro since he did grow up wit madara so he would know about the past. but on to another subject i was look at the pic of madara vs the 1st hokage http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.deviantart.com/download/85794994/Madara_vs_Hashirama_by_KALiZU.png&imgrefurl=http://kalizu.deviantart.com/art/Madara-vs-Hashirama-85794994&h=829&w=1640&sz=2179&tbnid=lMXxFWlcNsc7SM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmadara%2Bvs%2Bhashirama&zoom=1&q=madara+vs+hashirama&hl=en&usg=__vbLBhbXryS8EX6C5qqbk2XxqWDk=&sa=X&ei=hyK1TJ2nBYe-sQPfl_jCCA&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQ9QEwAA as u can see in this pic where the first hokage there r 7 swords and the first thing that came to my mind was the 7 swordsmen of the hidden mist i mean 1 of the swords look like it belongs to zabuza so i was thinking if madara used those swords against the 1st maybe he was the one that gave the swords to the 7swordsman i mean he did mind control the mizukage basically making him the mizukage but who know i could be wrong since samehada isnt in the picture but i would like to hear comments what of u guys think
- ddt
  
  i guess ur right too rikudusage there r lots of things we cant explain rite now but in my opinion if its not madara then i have no idea who it can be cuz i dont think its danzo obito at all it could be his bro since he did grow up wit madara so he would know about the past. but on to another subject i was look at the pic of madara vs the 1st hokage http://narutovillage.com/hidden-village/konohagakure-and-the-land-of-fire/ when u see this epic battle what do u see? i was looking closely and when i look around the 1st i saw 7 swords rite away my head was like 7 swords? where did i hear that from then i remembered 7 swordsmen of the hidden mist so i was thinking if madara was using those swords against the first maybe he was the one to give it to the 7 swordmens i mean he did mind control the mizukage making him basically the mizukage and one of the swords does look like zabuzas sword but i could be wrong i mean samehada isnt there but i would like to hear ur comments on this what do u guys think?

Uzumaki Rygee

I dont think Tobi could be Danzo. THe way he goes out was too perfect. They always made him out as a bad guy throughout the manga but in the end you kinda get to see that hes good and really just wanted to keep Konoha safe and secure. It would be lame if he just came back .as the antagonist. again. Also Tobi makes a reference to Danzo in 510 about his “incomplete izanagi” PLus Sasuke burned out his new badass eyes on Danzo( i think sasukes were sicker than the ones he gets from itachi). If it was really Tobi he would not have let those go to waste. I mean he has the eyes of like hundreds of uchihas alphabetically organized in that room. Hes got an obsession. would not have wasted some of the best eyes if it wasnt necessary. And it was necessary . Danzo was a huge obstacle for tobi and akatsuki. He was really powerful and honestly a huge loss for Konoha and The Joint Shinobi Force. He was Konohas failsafe and the one watching over everyone from the shadows. Whether he was liked or not, he was an essential part of the village. Sai can take over such a role once Naruto is Hokage.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DN2HPS36VLQPJBMFWDNYESDP3Q Irving

wow so im assuming they can make copies of all the previously dead akatsuki members . since i just saw diedara and the flying clay bird means that the revived clowns or what ever also have there original abilities as well.

hmm its going to be an epic war.

side note: so i c that hashimaras – 1 hokage . he knew he wasnt dead. but prefers a temporary peace.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1515772059 Zach Bunner

ok so this is what i think about that chapter. At some point in the manga Madara says that “I am merely half of my formal self” could the 1st hokage have sealed half of madaras powers away. Why didn’t madara immidately go for the village once he lost to him, and y has he just appeared after almost 50 to 100 years

theninjabehindyou

he said “I’m merely a shell of my former self” i imagine that the first gave him a run for his money. after all, he was madara’s rival. and as to why he didn’t go immediately, the first was still alive immediately after, i’d assume. even if he wasn’t the second still was. and then there were jiraya and tsunade, the fourth, and the third to think about. besides, if the first beat him half as badly as i think he did, he’d need a long time to get his strength back.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Hmmm intestering, The same plant that you see this manga of the 1st hokage, if you watch episode 139 when tobi brings sasuke to the hideout, as soon as sasuke opens his eyes and you see the same exact plant for a few secs..

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J545BIMNW34GCYNNM3UINSOZBU Matthew

Ok this is what I still dont understand and maybe you guys could shine some light on the subject. If everything that Tobi told sasuke was “the truth” including his idenity, how come he said that the attack on the leaf village with the nine-tails was a natural accerance, when we clearly know the truth thanks to naruto’s mother. I mean she told Naruto that no one knew about the birth besides her, the 4th, and the elders, yet Sasuke’s mom knew that Naruto was on his way very soon, and here’s a big clue to think about isn’t it a little funny that young Itachi while holding baby Sasuke said “Whats this strange feeling? Why did mom and dad have to be out now” So if they were out, where the hell were they? Sound a little fishy to me. And seeing that Itachi has been nothing but lying to Sasuke can we really trust everything he told him right before their battle?? Lets not forget Zetsu recorded the entire fight including the conversation between the two. Who’s not to say that Zetsu didnt show Tobi before hand, you know right before his little conversation with sasuke, and who’s also not to say that Tobi didnt go along with what Itachi was saying just to some what earn sasuke’s trust even more?? See theirs alot of questions that need to be anwsered revolving around the Uchiha clan, especially Tobi. How many eyes is he really pulling the wool over exactly???? Another thing I noticed, why is it in the flashback with naruto’s mom, the 4th said that Tobi had to have been Madara, yet when he told naruto about him, he refered Tobi as the masked man, as did naruto’s mother when she told her story. Is this another clue or is it becasue that they really didnt know…. The nine tails also spoke about Madara when confronted by naruto and sasuke, but it doesnt mean that he was the one who summoned it that time with the 4th. In the beginning Madara summoned it at one point when the 1st hokage was still around….

Naruto Manga Chapter 512

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