Naruto Manga Chapter 583

Skittlesrule291

Wow….I have nothing more to say except that Kabuto’s past is SAD. D’: Even a bad guy deserves some pity.

The real grandison.lamar

Skittles heh does Treyon Martin and George Zimmerman ring a bell or bullet.

TheYellowFlash

Tobi is madara’s younger brother so STFU!!! U FU KING PRICKS! tobi is not obito or shisui they are both dead and will be dead forever until theyre reanimated again from a random jutsu that kabuto found out about in his head without him actually doing any fu king research he just pulled it out of his ass just like tobi and zetsu!

TheYellowFlash

and danzou and itachi!
QWE

No, tobi is your mother so STFU!!! She still wears a mask I gave her when I fucked your mom
gound

tobi is not madara’s brother, he is dead, just like obito and shisui. now to what you call kabutos random jutsu he made up in his head, it was really made by tobirame senju, then perfected by orochimaru, and then in the end kabuto mastered it better then tobirame and orochimaru

Guest

If I was in the Naruto world, I would take one of shisue’s eye, get the mangekyo shardin gun for it, take one of itachi’s eye ( the one that does amratsu), and activate the entarnal mangenkyo for one eye, then take one of Naguto’s ranningun, and get orochimaru to give me the first hokage’s DNA……… Wow I sound like tobi. (what would u want if u were in the Naruto world)

thecrows2332

I would invent tennis and football.

Guest

Those who say tobi is obito, GET A LIFE. If u remember, when Tobi attacked the hiddan leaf, Kakashi and gai were just kids, NOT ADULTS

naruto

agreed
TobiIsObito

Kakashi had grown up since the war , so should have Obito. He wasn’t a brat anymore. Stop posting that bullshit , I have already said that Tobi wears a mask and a robe ,so it’s difficult to tell his age.The only thing we could see were his hands and judging from them Tobi had to be young at that time. The taller person is, the older he is.<<If that's your logic ,than Tsuchikage should be a baby, while he is the oldest person in Naruto.Height doesn't always coincide with age. Let's go back to Chunin exams, where Naruto, Sakura ,Sasuke and others are supposed to be of the same age and still there was difference in their heights . Some of the were very tall and some- too short.
Furthermore, Itachi Uchiha was 13 years old when he slaughtered his clan , but he had an appearance of a man.He even hasn't changed since then. So , Obito grew faster than Kakashi , that's all.

If Kishi had drawn Tobi shorter , it would have given away his identity really easily. Obito was getting more and more obvious, especially after Kabuto blackmailed Tobi and Kisame's flashback where he possessed only a single sharingan and kept his body bandaged. That's why Kishi revealed Tobi to have 2 eyes during the battle in hidden rain. He wanted to make Obito less obvious, there is no doubt about it. His tricked truly worked out and everybody was fooled by that. As far as I know , I was the only one who could see through it.
Tobi starts telling the truth when he learns that real Madara is reanimated. He calls himself NOBODY, which means he is an obscure and unknown shinobi in history. That's why Tobi can't be both the brother of the legendary Madara uchiha and the son of the sage himself. Both of them were famous and their names possessed considerable power.
Shisui, Obito and Kagami are left. If shisui was alive ,Itachi couldn't have awakened Mangekyo, as for Kagami- that's the theory who has committed suicide lol. So , Obito is only remaining one.

Tobi , the man behind the mask, is truly Obito Uchiha and this is the reality you all have to face!!!
- TobiIsObito
  
  WTF ?
- TobiIsObito
  
  LOL, who can analyse what I’ve posted? reply to me !!
  - Guest
    
    judgeing by your name, your sumerizing a theroy that proves TobiIsObito
- TobiIsObito
  
  Hey admin, can u explain me what happened ?
- The real grandison.lamar
  
  This is just a summon up from the past events to the current events he’s trying to let deceive the ppl who are simpletons to think he’s creative but all he did was type complete bullshit it’s just spam to mindfuk you people analysis of this bullshit all the things and the names he said or like Itachi and Sasuke from the past when Sasuke was 13 and Itachi+appearance + Itachi appeared in the village after the thirds death and so fort leading up to the current events it’s too long for me to type all this shit.
  - TobiIsObito
    
    Do you truly think that I deliberately posted in this way? I never intended either to spam or mindfuck. something went wrong,
TobiIsObito

Ok, smth was wrong with the last comment. I was saying that people of the same age can differ in height. Good example is CHunin exams where naruto, sasuke and others were nearly of the same age and still there was difference in height . Itachi was 13 when he slaughtered his clan and had an appearance of a man. So, that’s not an argument at all, Obito simply grew faster than Kakashi.
- thecrows2332
  
  If you got crushed by rocks i doubt that you would grow ever again. I cant see Obito as Tobi too many things dont add up.
  - TobiIsObito
    
    He got crushed by rock and that’s why his whole body is bandaged in Kisame’s flashback. He also wears one on his forehead when he fights Konan. It also explains why Tobi’s arms start melting whenever they get injured.
  - thecrows2332
    
    Bandages dont heal bones. Also do you think its Obito (meaning he survived the rocks and some how got better and he swore revenge) or do you think its Obito body fused with Zetsu or Senju DNA or Madara soul or something.
  - TobiIsObito
    
    Obito fused with some zetsu.
  - TobiIsObito
    
    However, both soul and mind is his one.
  - gound
    
    then tell me why he wants to kill the leaf
  - thecrows2332
    
    Okay thats probable. Still, i hear that Tobi created Zetsu so… Where did Zetsu come from?
- Guest
  
  actully, we have seen tobi’s eye a couple of times, and if u look carfully, his skin around the eye is rinkled. I dont think that happens when ur like 12
sage mode

yea i agree, because if obtio never got crushed by that rock, and he lived, then when the nine tails attacked, he’d still look and be the same age, but when the nine tails attacked, it was a grown man, obito would of still been a kid, and looked as young and small as he did when the rock crushed him, so there ya go, obito wouldnt of been capable of summoning the nine tails at such a young age anyways, during the attack, obito would of been as young as iruka, kakashi, and all the current sensei’s, so if obito had been alive during the incident, he would of been running around the leaf village as a scared little boy, while the grown man in the mask was fighting the fourth hokage, cuz even if that was obito, he wouldnt of been strong enough to take the 4th hokage on in a one on one fight, the man in the mask was clearly an older man with a lot of fighting expierence, so it deffinatly was not obtio, people just say it is cuz it just seems convient to say

third raikage Darui Itachi

i don’t care what anyone says, Danzo is a freaking boss and a true ninja. He does what it takes to protect his own and stick to the shadows like a ninja is suppose to. None of that happy go lucky, skipping in the sunshine bullshit.

DrSnakes

Totally agree with you. If he hadn’t resorted to drastic measures, Uchihas would have raped everybody in the village.
- minato@thundergod
  
  yeah but then the senjus and the hatake and sarutobis and namikaze will start rapin them back
thecrows2332

Question
Were the Uchihas plannig to control/takeover the village? Because they looked happy in their little corner of the village. I think Danzo got so paranoild of them because they probably could takeover the village if they wanted to and he wanted to strike first. Why would he want to do that?
- Jamesboy30
  
  thats a good point it happened to the sayans is dragon ball by freezer why not in naruto
Toadsagekyuubimode

an look what where it got him lmao an he still never caught up to the 3rd hokage in power some boss he is couldnt even get himself to be a hokage however i do like how hes good with wind element seeing as though most others except naruto and temari were shitty with it

Guest

hay can any1 tell me who shisue was related to?

Guest

Going for best rating PLZ LIKE

reginleaf

No. :p

Guest

Naruto’s old moto “Im gonna become hokage BELIVE IT” Naruto’s new matto, “Im gonna become chuunin BELIVE IT”

thecrows2332

LOL thats good. I really mean it. LOL.
Akastuki

He wouldn’t pass haha

Shiny_pokemon

guys. obito is not tobi. zukia was father of orochimaru and created a zetsu clone madara plus the real summoned madara. its true that madara and firt hokage fought but what happened before that??? exactly zukia( sage of six paths brother) fought all the first kages and lost. after that he swore revenge on all shinobi with that he created the akutski and a puppet madara. after when all akutski die zukia comes. zukia kills the puppet madara and fights naruto, tsunade, kakashi, guy and other people. when zukia trapps kakashi and tsunade in the hell death mirror coffin he summons the 4th hokage and summons the strongest summonings on eart the life and death angels. naruto beats one of them using the spirit bomb technique and kills one summoning with that one angel kills sakura and tsunade recreated sakura using a special unknown jutsu. i will give more info if you reply

narutofan

how do u know all this??
QWE

By far the most bullshit thing I’ve ever heard. You are truly good:)
Derpy

LOL you had me until you said “spirit bomb” .
SnakeKing

I think you have been watching Bleach, Naruto and DBZ all at the same time. The high levels of chakra from 3 different anime was too much for you too handle and half your brain cells blew up. The end result is the highly outrageous theory you just posted. You need a medical ninja and fast!!!

Nemdgreat

is choza akamichi an uzumaki? He has red hair.

Ihcati

no, hes an akamichi…..
- naruto kicks ass
  
  nice

shinobi-nin

kabuto lose himself the one he only lose is his appearance,

Nemdgreat

I understand what kabuto had lost. Right from the time we are growing up, we slowly lost ourselves. it is hard to understand. according to rene descartes “i think therefore i am” so we really are identified by our thinking, by our attitudes and personality.
But this thinking, attitudes, personalities is not really ourselves. We are caught in the complicated strings of memories both happy and sorrowful in the past, that molds us in what we are right now. in short the identification and the ego that we defend all the time is not really ourselves. it is the product of our fears and wants.
you may ask who we are.. I can’t answer that. it is hard to explain who we are in dialectics. it is so subtle it can’t be express in conventional language. go within yourself and meditate.
- shinobi-nin
  
  stop saying nonsense.
  - gound
    
    why you so mad dude
  - Nemdgreat
    
    he doesn’t understand anything, that is why he is angry..
- itachisan
  
  yeah right>>>>?! CAN YOU GET OUT OF THIS SITE…
- miguel_dinamita
  
  make sense. but you explain too long that is why it doesn’t make sense.
  - Nemdgreat
    
    ha ha you’re right
- The real grandison.lamar
  
  Kinda makes sense how old are you 40.?
- ABN
  
  I see what you are saying, but we really are not loosing ourselves at an early age, we don’t having anything. Like morals or any real appinions on anything at the age of five. like you said, we shape ourselves the older we get, but you become what you want, what you like and agree with. Memories from the past can change you if you didn’t like what happened and it messed you up. But most memories and past experiences just allows you to have your own views on things.

SnakeKing

In the final battle Naruto will gain Rinnegan just like his clan brother Nagato did.

Sadf

Nagato was given rinnegan by Tobi, so you mean that Tobi will give it to Naruto too?
- SnakeKing
  
  Tobi lied to shake Konan’s resolve and mess up her mind
  - i_BaTisTa_i
    
    Then why did Madara Uchiha(awakened from the Edo Tensei) say: “so the brat Nagato did grow up..”. Madara obviously had a plan to make Nagato revive Madara with the ability he gained from the Rinnegan. Nagato WAS given the Rinnegan, and Tobi knows that it true. So the chances that Naruto will gain Rinnegan are slim.
  - Naruhina
    
    heres a question, if he was given the rinnegan how was he able to awaken it? kakashi didnt get the chance, it was always a sharingan.
  - i_BaTisTa_i
    
    I think it is because Kakashi was physically transplanted the Sharingan. I bet Madara used his visual prowess to give Nagato the ability to awaken the Rinnegan. And when Nagato first awakened the Rinnegan- he couldn’t “reverse” it. The Madara from Edo Tensei could switch between the Sharingan and Rinnegan, cus of his bloodline. So just like Kakashi, Nagato was never able to switch “on/off” his Rinnegan, meaning it’s most likely not in his bloodline. I think how Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan, is sort of how like Itachi gave Sasuke powers before he died (like how he could set up that when Sasuke saw the Sharingan of Tobi/Madara, it would automatically cause Sasuke to use Amaterasu on Tobi). This is only a theory, though:).
- SnakeKing
  
  Uzumaki possess the ability to awaken Rinnegan

Naruhina

Izuna – height: 174.8cm weight: 55.9kg
Tobi – height: 175.0cm weight 55.9kg
Coincidence maybe?

Sadf

Where do you find such bullshit stuff? It doesn’t mean anything. Dude ,seriosuly GET A LIFE!!!
- Naruhina
  
  its on narutopedia, its not exactly hard to find you just gotta use a brain to find it nimwitt
TobiIsObito

Tobi’s face features and hair style are exactly the same as Obito’s. Tobi has only 1 sharingan and his body is wrapped in bandages(Kisame’s flashback)He also wears bandage on his forehead(KonanvsTobi) He steals the other eye from the dead member of the Uchiha. He’s got scars on his face and his arms start melting whenever he gets injured. Kakashi’s Kamui doesn’t work on him.His jutsu is the same as Kakashi’s. In fact Kakashi and Tobi are the only ones who use such weird type of space time ninjutsu. Kakashi was the one who saw his sharingan, whereas there was Hinata with byakugan who could see through mask.
When he attacks the hidden leaf he is aware of Minato’s abilities and uses them to his advantage .He also calls himself nobody which means that he is obscure shinobi.

At least these are facts/evidences from Manga/Anime, not from stupid fanmade page.
- SnakeKing
  
  You have been campaining so hard for Obito as Tobi I wonder how you will feel when it is revealed Tobi is NOT Obito. !_!
  - TobiIsObito
    
    I wonder how you will feel when it is revealed TOBI IS OBITO. Even If Kishi wants to change the character it’s already too late. He has to pick Obito for obvious reasons and he has already done it, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many hints. If it was Izuna, Kishi would put at least 1 hint ,but instead all he does is ruining that theory. One more time , think like the creator of this manga and you will learn the truth too.
  - TobiIsObito
    
    BTW, if he turns out to be new character , I will be really glad , because I scanned out Obito really easily and seeing Obito as Tobi definitely won’t surprising for me. I really wish he was the character nobody could have thought of , left without any attention, but the reality is that he is that little wimp who used to cry all the time .
  - Blackmetalmamba
    
    ok but it is obito then ur telling me minato faught obito or tobi but obito and kakashi r about same age and it shows kakashi on the same episode as tobi and kakashi only looked a little older than naruto when he was 12 maybe 14 so howd minato fight obito kinda doesnt make sence
  - TobiIsObito
    
    At that time Obito should have been of the same age as Naruto is now. Well, Naruto defeated people like Kakuzu and Pain , so Obito also could have fought against his sensei. He grew faster than Kakashi, that’s why he was taller than him. Being tall , doesn’t always mean that you are old. In fact , Tsuchikage the oldest person of Naruto is the shortest one too. Itachi was 13 years old when he slaughtered his clan and he looked like a man at that time. Some people grow faster in Naruto just as in real life. That’s all. The fact that Obito was young when he fought the 4th also explains why he lost to him . I know lot’s of Minato fans will be outraged , lol
  - Naruhina
    
    so your basically saying obito at that age could control the nine tails have a ago at the fourth hokage and assassinate the uchiha clan? after being clearly crushed by rock? ok then kid
  - gyuuki
    
    Its gonna b great when tobi turns out to b madara
- Aesfushgr
  
  If the vortex justsu is special to “Obito’s” eyes, than why is he using the wrong one to do it? That’s the half of him that got squished.
- Naruhina
  
  you want facts, obito WAS crushed right in front of kakashi. Madara was planning something with SOMEONE before he died after fighting hashirama, obitio wasnt born yet. TOBI knows almost everything about Madara and izuna saying izuna gave his eyes to madara they werent taken, now where did obito gain all this info? the local library? i dont think so.
DrSnakes

Actually , it would be coincidence if Izuna and Tobi’s heights were the same too.
Guest

umm a quick questtion, where are u getting ur information, seems like u checked there weight personally
- Naruhina
  
  its on narutopedia, i was just checking peoples backgrounds and seen it. not sure if its 100% true, but theres no point raging about it people, the worlds not gonna end
- Naruhina
  
  also i checked to see if it was fanmade which it wasnt and i tried to edit it to see if anyone could put a bit of info on there if they wanted to, which didnt work. people may think this is irrelevant but it is quite interesting.

thecrows2332

Where did Zetsu come from? I think he was created by Tobi and if thats true then the theroy that Obito is part Zetsu and that makes him Tobi is flawed. TobiIsObito im directing this at you buddy.

TobiIsObito

OK you asked for it buddy Zetsu , the character himself is really interesting and mysterious one, nobody knows who or what exactly he is. Some say they are twins ,but that sucks because twins are supposed to be similar to each other not different . I really wonder why people don’t make theories about his identity, probably because he isn’t so important. I guess I will be the first one to do that. When Madara was summoned by Kabuto, Kabuto said that he didn’t die or smth like that and that’s where people started making theories about Madara using Obito’sbody. I think he was referring not to Tobi , but a different person. Probably , he truly didn’t die . He could have use The sage’s creation of all things to mix some of his body cells with Hashirama’s ones he obtained during the battle and consequently he created … Zetsu. We know that his white part contains Hashirama’s DNA , so the black one is made of Madara’s DNA. Zetsu truly looks like someone who was artificially made . He also seems to carry a great deal of knowledge when he recognizes Itachi’s Totsuka blade.
If you remember Tobi was very scared when Kabuto summoned Madara. Why would he have been so scared of his partner? I also wonder why he didn’t revive Madara with Nagato’s jutsu so that Madara wouldn’t have ended up being Kabuto’s trump card. The soul wasn’t in the body when Kabuto blackmailed Tobi, so he could have used that opportunity to bring him back before Kabuto.
Ok ,this is unexpected but what if Madara even doesn’t know Tobi and the person he was referring ” This is something he would do” to was Zetsu? Because, he said these words after he heard that there was other Madara too and we all know that Zetsu is able to transform in anybody he wants , so Madara thought that Zetsu transformed into him to terrify people. Ok ,you may want to ask what Obito has to do with this. Zetsu comes from the village hidden in grass, which means he might have been hiding there all the time . The place where Obito was supposed to die is located in the same village too. So, he probably got rescued by Zetsu . Zetsu could have made him evil.Also Zetsu maybe the reason why Tobi knows so much stuff. End of story

However, even if Zetsu was created by Tobi , theory that Obito is part Tobi still makes sense. Obito could have been healed by medical ninjas from local village .He could have made a bond with a girl who was a medical ninja too. She must have reminded him of Rin. After that something bad should have happened, there is no doubt about it.
Obito probably created zetsu after the tragedy and he fused with some zetsu to make his limbs harder for battles.
In this case , it doesn’t make sense how he knows Madara. Well, that dude is able to travel to other dimension and what if he can travel through time as well? “Road to Ninja” , a Naruto shippuden movie is made by Kishi himself and there going to be alternate reality. So, I won’t be surprised if Kishi introduces time traveling jutsu.
I mean , it will explain everything: How Madara knows things that happen in the future and how Tobi knows things that happened in the past.
If you are not satisfied with my answer , I hope you enjoyed reading it at least. I really hope you won’t facepalm yourself after reading the post saying “what the hell I’ve just read!?”
- thecrows2332
  
  Really thought it out my man thats cool. Do you think Tobi is lying when he said he created Zetsu? Because Tobi said he created him by using Hashiramas DNA as you said but thats all, he never said anything about Madara DNA.
  - FriendofKurama
    
    He didn’t create Zetsu (referring to what you said) Tobi with the help of Kabuto integrated hashiramas cells into the 100,000 zetsu’s, hence why they grow into trees when Naruto is in Kyuubi mode. Oh and referring to TobiIsObito, Zetsu is the one of the most important since he has 100,000 clones, and his other clone can practically merge into any material.
  - thecrows2332
    
    Then what do you think Zetsu is?
  - Uchiha, Shisui
    
    Like most people I can’t remember when but during the war Shukaku (shikamaru’s dad) talks to naruto explaining about the enemy, the people they’re dealing with. He’s saying that they’re dealing with what he believes are immortals. Kabuto, Tobi (who they thought was madara at the time), and last of all Zetsu. They examined one of the zetsu clones and discovered that they are plants. Thats it. No big deal. The First Hokage could use plants as weapons and Zetsu was that plant. Except after being experimented on he changed, evolved, morphed or whatever you want to call it. In the end Zetsu is just a weapon with a mind. Just like Samehada, Kisame’s sword.
- Truth
  
  Tobi cannot be Obito for several reasons. One, Tobi said that he is a shell of his former self, and yet he went toe to toe with the 4th hokage. Obito could not have done that. Second Madara would not have been there to save Obito with Zetsu because Tobi was the one who made Zetsu. Also Zetsu cannot make you stronger. They are copies of you so Tobi would not have been any stronger than Obito. Also Madara died! Obito died way after Madara did. Time wise that doesn’t make sense. Third if Tobi was Obito and he awakened his mangekyo sharangan by helping Kakashi than Kakashi would have told the leaf. He’s no traitor.
  
  In the chapter No One Tobi says he is ashamed of his past. Obito was proud of what he did in his last moments. Obito would no never betray his comrades. Also Why didn’t Obito have an emotional reaction when he saw Kakashi? Unless he was brain washed than he would see Kakashi and have a omg is Kakashi kind of moment. Same with the 4th hokage he would have been recognized by either side. And also the theory about Obito that he hates the world because Madara brain washed him, that couldn’t happen because Madara died. What would have killed Madara? That just doesn’t make sense.
  
  Obito cannot be Tobi. It just doesn’t work when you put the logic together.
  sorry tobisobtio, ur so focused and dead set believing its obito ur unwilling to believe the other possibilites of who he could be
  - thecrows2332
    
    And the Truth shall set you free! Total with you. Theres so much proof out there that it cant be Obito and there it is. Truth you speak the truth. Thank you.
  - TobiIsObito
    
    When Tobi said that he is a shell of his former self , he simply made an excuse why he wasn’t so strong as the real one. Also, Tobi wasn’t the one who made zetsu. He only made zetsu clones. Moreover, Obito wore a mask ,that’s why nobody recognized him.I also don’t think that he was brainwashed by somebody, he really sounds like someone who has been through an ordeal and experienced lots of painful things.Something really bad must have happened to Obito , which made him change. I don’t understand why people don’t expect Obito to change . We’ve seen Nagato who was even more kind and crybaby than Obito , but he ruthlessly killed his own sensei without any emotional reaction.So, it’s also normal that Obito didn’t have any reaction, he simply mastered controlling his emotions . I said nothing about Obito awakening Mangekyo by help of Kakashi, so I am not going to give any explanations about that. The last thing left is how Madara knew Obito, when there was so big time gap between them. Answer is simple, he knew Obito in the same way he knows Nagato.It’s also doesn’t make sense how Madara knows Nagato, but that’s the reality. The only explanation I ‘ve been able to come up with so far is that Tobi is able to travel through time. It really explains how he knows things that happened in the past and how Madara knows things that would happen in the future. As you see, my theory has no weak points just like edo tensei .LOL
    There wasn’t a single argument which I was unable to answer back. BTW, nice try ,but if you want to convince me you should find something much better than these ones.
  - Naruhina
    
    I am totally with senju your theories are frivolous assumptions with little fact followed by what you think. youv locked yourself with only one solution, tobiisobito shutting down anything that opposes this. tbh i dont really care WHO tobi but more of what is going to happen. im just tired of seeing your KNOW IT ALL theories everywhere.
  - i_BaTisTa_i
    
    I totally agree(except for the idc WHO tobi is)-part:)

ABN

Hey did anyone else think that Danzo was using Shishui’s eye on Kabuto’s mother, they didn’t show or say that he did, which made me enjoy that seen so much more. though I am not completely sure he would of had it by then, since Shishui died around when Sasuke was 5, and in this flashback kabuto looks like he is also around five, but shouldn’t Kabuto be a couple years older then the original cast, meaning just Naruto and Sasuke etc.

Senju

the main argument here is that Kakashi VALUED his friend so much that he even retrieved his goggles. Would he not value the body of his friend and savior who was buried underneath a rubble of rocks? Would he allow his comrade’s body to rot on enemy ground? Surely he would retrieve it! If you have a friend who gave his life and his eye for you, would you care enough to retrieve his body? I don’t think you can live with yourself knowing that you left your friend to die and even did not bother to give him a proper burial. That is sick. As Obito and Kakashi would say, “Those who don’t take care of their comrades are worse than trash!”
obito:Naruto 242 page 07 | One Manga
kakashi:Naruto 8 page naruto_v02_ch008_024 | One Manga

This is arguing merely on the basis of bonds, or valuing friends. This is notwithstanding the fact that Obito’s body is the body of an Uchiha, who is naturally a carrier of the secrets of the Sharingan bloodlimit. Kakashi’s sharingan is proof enough that the body of an Uchiha could be “exploited” in order to acquire the Sharingan and not only to understand its weakness. Hunter nins (or for Konoha, the ANBU) is tasked to keep/defend the secrets of the village. This is maybe also why Kakashi became an ANBU commander after this incident. As a matter of principle and of duty, ANBU would never leave Obito’s body under that rubble of rocks. (See further argument and references below.)

If this argument is sound, it can be accepted as confirmatory evidence to the fact that in the KG, all the main characters behaved in such a way that heavily suggests that Obito has INDEED perished in that mission.

ch.139,p.9 is the first ever mention of Obito in the manga. His name was mentioned in the context of the ceremony for Sandaime Hokage’s death. It is worthy of note that here Kakashi and Hayate’s girlfriend are at the same place [in front of the fallen heroes' memorial] to honor the memory of their loved ones; while the rest of Konoha is at a different place, at the ceremony for the 3rd Hokage. It suggests that the village people is at the grave of the Hokage while Kakashi and Hayate’s girlfriend are at the memorial. This gives us evidence that aside from the heroes’ memorial there would be a grave for individual shinobis also. Also note that the epitaphs [or texts on the stones] at chapter139 and chapter244 looked different from each other. They may not be the same, after all.The 3rd Hokage has indeed said that the heroes’ memorial was a cenotaph (from Greek, kenos “empty” and taphos “tomb”). A cenotaph is a tomblike monument to someone buried elsewhere, especially commemorating people who died in a war. (from Oxford American Dictionaries for Mac OS X, 2005)See Naruto 139 page 05 | One MangaIn other words, the one at chapter 139 is a heroes’ memorial while the one at chapter 244 is indeed a tombstone, a grave marker. This gives us the conclusion that Obito has a grave aside from having his name on the heroes memorial.Even if Obito’s body has not been buried, it is most likely that it has been burned/destroyed –according to Blast– in accordance to the hidden village rule to dispose bodies that could be exploited by enemies to reveal the secrets or the weakness of the clan or the village. This principle is affirmed by Kakashi in the Zabuza-Haku vs. Team 7 arc about hunter nins, a.k.a. body erasers, disposing of the bodies of Shinobi that contain many secrets. See Naruto 16 page naruto_v02_ch016_174 | One MangaNaruto 16 page naruto_v02_ch016_177 | One Manga

senju

obito was a nobody, he was the weakling in the uchia family and only unlocked the weakest sharigan at the last min. so why would mandara the most powerfull uchia use the crushed 1 eyed useless body off a nobody? ask yourself that.

TobiIsObito

No he doesn’t anybody’s body. However Obito was truly nobody and that’s why he calls himself one.

senju

We know now that when the sharingan undergoes certain rituals it can turn into the rinnengan, the eyes the sage of six paths had. This proves that there is a connection between the descendants of the two brothers and it’s power. But the first time we saw those eyes was on Nagato who was clearly not an uchiha. We’re also led to believe that Tobi was the one who gave Nagato his eyes. Maybe Tobi gave Nagato Madara’s eyes. But why would Tobi give such a powerful tool to someone like Nagato? What if combining both the senju and the uchiha’s power brings even more power and a step closer to acquiring the sage of six path’s power? Nagato had red hair which has been said to be a unique trait to the Uzumaki clan. If that’s true, then Nagato would have been a perfect test for Tobi, being a child of war tobi was able to easily corrupt him.

That being said, this would mean that Tobi can not be Obito, since Obito was not born until several years after Nagato gained the rinnengan.

the real grandison.lamar

i,m gay and like Senjus big d1ck , so much <3

DrSnakes

ABN ,stop please
- ABN
  
  DUDE, this ain’t me. If I really wanted to talk shit to him online I would, but I’m not. This is the internet, no amount of words will change anything, it might make someone mad but no one will win. You just look like a fool fighting on these websites, I’m not going to get a worked up and mad if I can’t do anything about it.
Guest

LOL

Uchiha, Shisui

Even if Tobi was Obito why would that be such a big deal? What could come out of that?

TobiIsObito

First of all, all the fans will be surprised. Second, he is truly important character, because he pronounced the main idea of the show. He is also connected with Naruto. Naruto is embodiment of his words by never giving up on Sasuke.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZJSCZJBTCW2QVTOZJMCHFPKUPY LayliG
  
  And so why would the embodiment of the show be the main antagonist? IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN, TOBI IS NOT OBITO. There is no valid proof and no reasonable theory
  - TobiIsObito
    
    There are lots of proofs!!!
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZJSCZJBTCW2QVTOZJMCHFPKUPY LayliG
    
    No, only ridiculous theories that you refuse to even look at unbiasedly. We have no proof that Obito lived, so why go on thinking he did? Tobi may not be Zetsu, but it’s a hell of a lot better argument and chance that he is
ABN

that would be pretty wild, since he was Kakashi’s old friend. Though I don’t believe that this is true, still be pretty crazy.
- Uchiha, Shisui
  
  I know it would be cool and all but what I’m trying to say is that there wouldn’t be much of a story going on between them. sorry.

The real grandison.lamar

This is the real one asking did Madara ever win a fight against Hashirama.?

DrSnakes

You needn’t have mentioned that you were real one. We already got used to that Grandison lamar who says something stupid is imposter.
- ABN
  
  well you’ll have to go by different standards knowing who is who. We won’t ever know who the real one is. You have to go by first or second. The first one is the angry one, angry like a girl dealing with a bloody period. The second one that appeared is a calmer person trying to convice that he was the real one. Or you could seperate them by who ever hates me more.
  - The real grandison.lamar
    
    i guess

TobiIsObito

I posted several ways how Obito could have known Madara and people got really confused. Actually, I don’t agree with most of them , they were random thoughts. Here’s what I will stick to: Obito got rescued by local villagers. They healed him and did everything they could in order to save his life. I didn’t say randomly that Obito made bond with a medical ninja who looked like Rin. Neither I said randomly about a tragedy. The village was attacked by shinobis who killed everyone including the girl Obito fell in love. He survived , because the death of the girl lead to awakening his mangekyo and consequently his abilities to go through objects.
Now let’s switch to Madara. Well, that dude fought Hashirama countless times , but never occurred to him to get Senju DNA, before the last battle. It’s not like he didn’t read the secrets on that stone ,but you need rinnegan in order to uncover all the secrets. The more advanced ocular abilities are the more you can read on that stone. Well, Sasuke was able to understand that sharingan can tame nine-tails. Actually , it was the only thing he could see , because he had ordinary sharingan. Madara’s eyes were more advanced and he knew some more , but not definitely about the power of the sixs paths.Otherwise he could have obtained Hashirama’s DNA anytime he wanted, but he didn’t simply because he didn’t know about that. Madara left the village and declared a war. He started seeking for more power and headed to Nine-tails, so he knew that Uchiha’s ocular powers could tame nine-tails, which also proves that he had read things on that stone. And here’s where Obito emerges with Uchiha stone. So time traveling is one of his abilities. Obito also read some stuff on that and probably knew that it was possible to cast genjutsu on the whole world. However, he didn’t know how to do that. He introduced himself to Madara and explained his goal to him.Madara approved his plan and decided to join him. Just as Mangekyos differ in their abilities, probably different mangekyos also see different things on the stone. So, they shared their knowledge with each other and concluded that they needed Rinnegan to disclose all the secrets. They also figured out how to unlock it . They arranged a battle against the first Hokage where Madara nearly died. He was severely injured , but he somehow fooled the first Hokage. He was dying , but he didn’t die at that place. He simply hid in the forest where Obito was. With the rinnegan unlocked everything became clear to Madara and he told Obito every single detail . As I mentioned before , he was severely injured , therefore he was slowly dying. However, Madara isn’t that innocent to believe Uchiha form the future . After all he was betrayed by all of his clansmen. So as to prevent this from repeating he created Zetsu with Senju and his cells. The main purpose of Zetsu was too keep a eye on Tobi , so that he wouldn’t betray Madara. They knew that Madara could be brought back by Rinnegan jutsu , however only those with senju DNA could use that eyes. Obviously , they wouldn’t have chosen direct descendants of Senju clan , because they lived in hidden leaf. That’s why they chose Uzumaki clan member, who was related to senju. Obito knew that Uzumaki clan members where scattered all over the world and they weren’t under surveillance of great nations.Madara left his eyes to Obito and taught him how to tame nine-tails just before his death. After that Obito returned back to the future(LOL) along with Zetsu and Madara’s body. He implanted Rinnegan in newborn Nagato’s eyes , then he travelled through time 10 years ahead to encourage Yahiko to create Akatsuki. After establishing the organization , Obito started manipulating Yagura for his goals. He also carried out lots of experiments before he implanted Senju cells, because Hashirama’s powers are really difficult to control just as he said when Danzo fought Sasuke. Happy end

OK, don’t take this seriously, it’s not a theory , but a story I made for you to enjoy reading . I know there are many flows in the story, however that’s true for all the theories where stories are made up.This is only me and now imagine, what can be happening in Kishi’s head, there’s no way our stories will coincide with his one. Generally, making up stories are pointless,because they will never come true .In fact, this is not my style, I usually find hints and evidences, analyze them and after that explain things.

P.S. Guys, Zetsu wasn’t created by Tobi , but his clones. Also I want to ask you an interesting question and don’t reply to me unless you have an answer reinforced by arguments. Did Tobi say he gave rinnegan to Nagato as Tobi or as Madara? I mean , was he really the one or it was Madara? Because, everything Tobi says about himself are meant for Madara, up to Manga chapter 559. ” I am nobody , I don’t want to be anybody”This is only real thing he says about himself. Others ones are generally complete lies ,because he isn’t Madara. Your answers might help me figure out something really big and I am looking forward to seeing them.

thecrows2332

TobiIsObito the stuff you come out with is so cool. I like how you have a back story for Obito after the accident. I dont agree with you but its good to read. Keep it up my friend. I look foword to the next story.

TobiIsObito

In response to Senju. When Tobi said that he is a shell of his former self , he simply made an excuse why he wasn’t so strong as the real one. Also, Tobi wasn’t the one who made zetsu. He only made zetsu clones. Moreover, Obito wore a mask ,that’s why nobody recognized him.I also don’t think that he was brainwashed by somebody, he really sounds like someone who has been through an ordeal and experienced lots of painful things.Something really bad must have happened to Obito , which made him change. I don’t understand why people don’t expect Obito to change . We’ve seen Nagato who was even more kind and crybaby than Obito , but he ruthlessly killed his own sensei without any emotional reaction.So, it’s also normal that Obito didn’t have any reaction, he simply mastered controlling his emotions . I said nothing about Obito awakening Mangekyo by help of Kakashi, so I am not going to give any explanations about that. The last thing left is how Madara knew Obito, when there was so big time gap between them. Answer is simple, he knew Obito in the same way he knows Nagato.It’s also doesn’t make sense how Madara knows Nagato, but that’s the reality. The only explanation I ‘ve been able to come up with so far is that Tobi is able to travel through time. It really explains how he knows things that happened in the past and how Madara knows things that would happen in the future. As you see, my theory has no weak points just like edo tensei .LOL
There wasn’t a single argument which I was unable to answer back. BTW, nice try ,but if you want to convince me you should find something much better than these ones.

TobiIsObito

Besides, if Tobi lived at the time when Madara did he should have been dead or at least even older than Tsuchikage , like 104 years old . But, he isn’t which proves that Tobi is a person of “our” time.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZJSCZJBTCW2QVTOZJMCHFPKUPY LayliG
  
  Obito is a filler character. That is why he is not Tobi. Besides, how does he have Senju DNA? The only explanation is that Obito is DEAD, and Tobi is ZETSU
  - TobiIsObito
    
    He isn’t completely zetsu .
  - TobiIsObito
    
    If Obito is a filler character then Izuna, Kagami and others aren’t even characters of the show.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZJSCZJBTCW2QVTOZJMCHFPKUPY LayliG
    
    Exactly, have any of those characters done something important and relevant to the show or this time period? No
TobiIsObito

Besides, if Tobi lived at the time when Madara did he should have been dead or at least even older than Tsuchikage , like 104 years old . But, he isn’t which proves that Tobi is a person of “our” time.

thinkinglogical

is there a manga next week?

ABN

of course! Though, it doesn’t mean it will be a Naruto manga.

Nenoboywonder

It’s nt obito it’s madra brother so stop everyone thinking tat it is

Akastuki

The answer is Madara’s brother Izuna

1) Obito is not tobi because obito was young when minato
fought tobi. Also tobi would need an extra eye since he lost on to kakashi, and
lost one to konan using izangi yet he still had another eye after the fight, also
what reason would obito have to attack the leaf or any Nation and how did he
get so strong so fast or taller in minatos fight?

2) Shisui is not Tobi because he has no eyes because of
Danzo, and Itachi took them. Also Itachi had to kill him to awaken MS. Shisui
was also found died in a river.

3) Six paths sage can’t be Tobi because he died and if he
was alive why would he decide to attack the ninja world that he risked his life
to save. Also the six paths seemed scared of madara when kabuto showed him, if
tobi was the 6 sage sage he would not be scared at all. And why no rennigon
until Nagato?

4) Izuna Madara’s brother the only uchia who can stand to
Madara and has similiar moves. If Madara got Izunas eyes whats stopping Izuna
from getting Madaras old eyes. Or whaiting till he dies to take them. Also
Izuna could want revenge for his brothers death that’s why he wants to attack
all the nations. And wants power like Madara’s. Tobi knows way to much about
Madara and to keep it a secret of his true identity he decided to make himself
killed off.

To me it’s Izuna, or a character like Yamato except with madaras cells and not the first,
or just a new character those are the only possible answers.

Nenoboywonder

Yes I u read I just said tat n I agree bit there r alot more ways to prove tat it is for the people who dnt agree
TobiIsObito

It’s not Izuna for god’s sake!!!I can tell you what stopped Izuna from getting Madara’s old eyes. He was fucking blind!! He couldn’t have gone anywhere and everybody would have noticed him if he was alive, because unlike him they weren’t blind. . So, do you truly expect a blind dude to get to the final valley and take Madara’s eyes? He even couldn’t have left the village without anyone noticing him. That’s theory is doomed to failure right from the very beginning. Moreover, Madara knows who is Tobi and at the same time he says that his brother is dead.It doesn’t make any sense if his brother is alive. Moreover,even if Izuna could still see things without eyes,which is really impossible, he should be dead by now or at least fuking old ,about 110 years old or smth, which means he must look older than tsuchikage, but he doesn’t. Read Naruto Manga chapters 509-510 where he fight Konan and look at Tobi really carefully. He doesn’t look like Izuna at all ,you have to have serious problems with your eyes if you think that these two resemble each other and Tobi truly looks like Obito.

Guys , you are repeating the same thing again and again. Obito wasn’t so young when Tobi fought Minato. Just look at Kaakashi, he has grown up since the war, so should have Obito. The fact that Tobi was a little bit taller than Kakashi, doesn’t mean he was older than him. As I said million times height doesn’t always coincide with age in Naruto just as in the real life. Obito grew faster than Kakashi that’s all. Even at chunin exams ,where Naruto, Kiba , shino and others were supposes to be of the same age , there was still big difference in height. Some people grow faster than others and it really sucks that you learn this from me. In fact , Itachi was 13 years old when he slaughtered his clan and he looked like a man. This argument is dead forever!!!

Now , let’s talk about Tobi having 2 sharingans, this is my favorite topic.BTW ,it was then, when I got convinced that Tobi is really Obito. Actually, it was Kishi’s trick to make Obito less obvious and lots of kids were fooled by that.
Tobi truly had a single sharingan in Kisames flashback and Kisame also confirmed it “that eye shining in the darkness”(don’t remember the chapter)So, how come he has 2 when he fights Konan? What could have possibly happened between those 2 events, which gave him access to the other sharingan? I tell you what, Uchiha clan massacre!!!
When Tobi met Danzo , he pointed out that he hadn’t met the hokage since the incident. Tobi is even shown to have collection of sharingans. Ok , you need pure logical thinking here. Remember the scene when Tobi is falling down due to Konan’s jutsu. Don’t you wonder why he wasted precious time on breaking his mask ,when he could have used Izanagi with the right sharingan?I mean, he had to make sure that he survived at first and he could break his mask after that for surprise attack, after all his was on the verge of death. Here’s an explanation, the other sharingan did’t have the same powers as the right one, because it was ordinary sharingan which belonged to random Uchiha killed by Itachi. The only purpose of that eye was to be sacrificed for Izanagi. Anime creators even made it easier for kids to understand and they made his eyes look different when Tobi stabbed Konan from behind.
The fact that he still keeps the right eye after retrieving Rinnegan , also proves that it’s his own sharingan,with unique abilities really similar to Kakashi’s Kamui.

P.S. If it’s really Izuna, then prove it by repelling all the arguments I’ve brought about him , don’t even miss a single one. I usually explain things to you , so I guess it’s your time to explain things to me. There is also another way ,
simply , admit that I am dead right about Tobi’s identity and all the pointless discussions will be over!!!
- DrSnakes
  
  You think you are a smart guy,huh ? You are complete moron, the most retarded person I’ ever met. You make zero sense, stop posting your annoying comments ,we all get really irritated. I can crush your theory so much that
  even someone as dumbass as you will shut up forever.Tobi is really Izuna and I’ve got plenty of proofs . Get ready
  you little scum , here are all the proofs …. you are dead right about Tobi’s identity.lol
  - TobiIsObito
    
    You sounded so…pathetic xDD
- mrKnowItAll
  
  Theres only one thing linking tobi to obito and thats the teleportation technique. it showed obito half crushed under a rock and then the place collapsed, there he is blind, one eye missing and the other side crushed, Izuna went blind but he was still in better condition to have survived then obito was, also it would have been easier for him to get random sharingan from uchiha, (maybe stumbles across obitos) considering he was izuna and still had madara with him. the anime never shows how izuna dies, they just lie to throw you off the matter which you have done. also madara was conspiring a plan with someone before he died he sais this to kabuto, obito was still sperm at this stage, who was he plotting with? zetsu?
  - TobiIsObito
    
    There are many things that link Tobi to Obito, not only technique. We don’t know if his right side was completely crushed or not ,we simply are supposed to assume. Moreover, it needs great force to crush an eye . You also mentioned one more link, “Izuna was still in better condition then Obito” , Obito’s limbs are greatly damaged that’s why Tobi’s arms start melting whenever he gets injured. The anime does show him dead in the coffin, but not how he died, because he wasn’t that important, he was just a random character.
    Do you truly believe that there was Uchiha so pathetic that had his eyes stolen by a blind person? Again, if Izuna stole eyes then why did he transplant only one and exactly in the right eye? You also didn’t answer to another questions, like how he survived so long or why he doesn’t look like someone who is 110 years old…
    
    It’s true that Madara died many years before Obito was born, but Madara knows Nagato who was born years after his death as well. He knows Obito in the same way!!! If you really want to make sense to me re-read all the questions posted in previews comment and give me rational answers strengthened by evidences and proofs. I always answer questions and explain things ,whereas you fail it . I want answers to all of the questions!!!
    See, this is why Izuna theory sucks and will always!!!
  - naruto
    
    u make no type of since obtio is not tobi there’s plenty of proof, so u mean to tell me he survived being crush by the rocks den magically got two sharingans out of no where, den became a bad guy and some how he knew the whole ninja history about his clan and the sage of the six paths and became a expert on jinjrkins and knew whn the seal got weak and manged to take control of the 9 tails n try to fight his old master the YELLOW flash all at a young age of wat nomore den 17 come lets be real obito is not capable of dat also nagato was a kid whn he first used his rinngan obito didnt even unlock his sharingan yet and tobi clearly stated he gave nagato the rinnagan and helped make the akastuki obito was still kid at the time u mean to tell me he was doin all that on da low lmao get the fucked outta hear wit dat bullshit… tobi is not obito
- naruto
  
  u wrote all dis for no reason cuz u wrong for all you naruto fans out hear obito is not tobi, just like u said whn tobi fights konan he broke off half his mask tobi looked like a old man obito is not old if obito was still alive he would have been alot younger around kakashi’s age also obito lost both his eyes one got crushed and the other one kakashi’s has the reason tobi power is similar is becuz he knows and unlocked every secret of the sharingan , and tobi kept his right sharingan even whn he got the rinngan becuz his sharingan is how he stay intangible and teleports and he needs it to complete his moon eye plan ,
  also madara was conspiring a plan with someone before he died he sais this to kabuto, obito was still sperm at this stage

DrSnakes

lol the same thing repeats everyday: Izuna fan posts a theory and shortly after gets owned by Obitofan, Izunafan gets more angry and posts theory again and the result is the same. It’s time both of you stopped posting things and wait for the manga to find out who was the right one. I have a headache because of so many theories !!!

TobiIsObito

Hey, I am not Obito fan! Unlike , some people who persistently claim that Tobi is Izuna without giving any rational explanations and proofs, I haven’t chosen Obito because I want him to be the main villain and you know that very well!!!
- gyuuki
  
  What proof do u have that hes obito?
  - gyuuki
    
    Sorry didn’t see ur earlier posts. I must say thats the best arguement Ive seen for obito yet
  - gyuuki
    
    But y did he keep his right eye when he took the rinnegan?

itchyfires

tobi cant be obito as he was taller than kakashi and was stronger

IhateSakuraSoMuch

I see why you posted this, in order to get owned by Obito fan LoLZzZ
- TobiIsObito
  
  I’ve already said that I am not Obito fan ,so stop calling me that! Besides, I don’t feel like owning him ,because it’s the weakest argument I’ve ever seen!
  - itchyfires
    
    bitch please,you can’t own me

MaNGaKa

I read all the comments and this is the conclusion I made. Tobi is really Obito, I read many proofs , anyone agrees?

Angel14199312

u some stupid mother fucker tobi is not obito tobi is madara or better yet madara special clone
- MaNGaKa
  
  You are stupid, he said that he was nobody, so he isn’t madara and stop insulting people for their opinions!!!Get a fucking life !!!
  - gyuuki
    
    So if hes not madara because he said hes no body then doesn’t that mean hes not izuna or shisui or obito or kagami or setsuna or any other random uchiha Ive seen hashirama said b4 too the sages lmao. I think u get my point

naruto

anybody who thinks tobi is obito is a dick head obito lost both his eyes one was crushed and kakashi has the other one the only reason tobi moves is similar to kakashi kamui is because tobi knew and unlocked every secret of the sharingan as state time n time again

MaNGaka

If he unlocked all the secrets why doesn’t he use jutsus like amaterasu or sasano? Shut up you are lifeless pathetic bitch who gets raped every day at school . Nobody offends people for this stupid things except for pussies like you,
go kill yourself , nobody gives a shit about you and your retarded ideas!!!
- Angel14199312
  
  blow my grip pussy
- jamesboy30
  
  B.T.W he said all the secrets of the Sharingan not the Mangekyō Sharingan
MaNGaka

You are a d1ck head here, he didn’t lose the right one , it wasn’t shown !!! I told you to stop offending people for different opinions, lifeless puss1es like you who get raped at school every day really irritate me!!
- Angel14199312
  
  first off i didnt say he lost his right eye d1ck head i said he kept dat one stop sucking me and second off raped in school? really u couldnt come up wit something better u lame i bet u some ugly nerd @ss nigga dat stay home all day on the computer
- Angel14199312
  
  and i look better u i get more bitches den u i got more money den ur broke ass my car better den ur if u even got one deff flyer , dnt be mad u live da life of a lame and get no pussy
- Angel14199312
  
  every pis where dey show some of tobi’s face its a older person wit wrinkles on dey face if dat was obito he would be alot younger around kakashi’s age
- gyuuki
  
  Yeah u couldn’t see it because there was a huge boulder on it haha
  - Angel14199312
    
    werd dat nigga got fucking crushed x__x
- Thinkinglogical
  
  i LOLED really hard at your name!!

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