Naruto Manga Chapter 584

In response to Akastuki

The most of your questions were about how Obito could have survived, how  could he have become so strong and so on….   Before I start talking about Obito, I want to make one thing clear. I’ve understood why most people don’t believe that Tobi is Obito. They think that Obito was weakling. I am going to destroy this stupid stereotype.

 Maybe , Obito acted and sounded like a  weak ninja  , but he wasn’t  one.If you remember  when Sasuke fought with Kakashi to get the bells , he used fire ball technique .Kakashi was surprised , because genin didn’t have enough chakra to perform that jutsu.Therefore Sasuke deserved Kakashi’s praise and acknowledgement. Well, we have also seen Obito use the same technique,which was impossible for genin, haven’t we? Moreover, when Sasuke talked about Itachi , he mentioned that his brother managed to awaken sharingan at the age of 8. In fact, this is one of the main reasons why Itachi is recognized as the most gifted Uchiha in the clan. Awakening the sharingan at an early age  truly depicts how talented  Uchiha is.We have seen Sasuke awaken his own one at EXACTLY the same age as Obito  when he fought with Haku.
 These are the facts you can’t avoid !!! In addition, Obito looked weak , because there was genius Kakashi, a dude who became junin when he was 13 years old , in his team, while Sasuke  was teamed up with retarded Naruto,who is still genin.
Furthermore, even after awakening his sharingan, Sasuke got raped by Lee, whereas  Obito  started advancing really fast after awakening his own one. He even managed to take down the opponent even Kakashi wasn’t match for.
As you see, Sasuke wasn’t any better than Obito. Both of them were advancing at an equal rate . Obito was really strong and you can’t imagine how strong he could have become after obtaining Mangekyo sharingan. Face it people , you underestimated Obito just because he didn’t act like a jerk !!!
 
  Obito’s  problem was that he couldn’t control his emotions. However, something really bad happened to him that made him change so much. I have one more Scenario how could things have happened. Before I start telling it , I want you to know that I never contradict myself. I never said that Obito’s eyes got crushed..In fact , it requires great deal of force to crush an eye. What’s more there isn’t any evidence that Obito’s second eye was crushed, while there is one which proves that both of Izuna’s eyes were taken.  You also didn’t understand what I said about Zetsu well. I clearly said that Zetsu was created by Madara . The black part was made of Madara’s DNA and  the right part  -Hashirama’s one. Zetsu was half Madara and he possessed the same knowledge as Madara. Madara didn’t have enough time to capture all the Bijuus and that’s why he left Zetsu to carry out his plan.   As for Obito, he was rescued by local villagers. There was a sensory type among them who sensed Obito’s chakra under the boulders. He was taken to the village and given  medical treatment .
His injuries were severe , so it took a while before he completely recuperated.  Shortly after , Obito found out that the people who saved him were Uzumaki clan members .Kushina said that her clansmen scattered all over the globe, so they could have been living in the village hidden in grass. Obito  made a bond with a girl there , who reminded him of rin. This also explains how Tobi is able to recognize Uzumaki clan’s trademark(red hair). Briefly, he spent some time with them until he recovered .However, the village was attacked by ninjas and they killed everyone . The girl Obito made bond with died in his presence, which resulted in awakening of Mangekyo. Obito managed to survive thanks to his Mangekyo abilities ,which enable him to pass through things. Zetsu was a shinobi from that village and he was kind of cannibal too. He went there to eat bodies of Uzumaki clan members and came across Obito. They  started fighting ,but it ended soon ,because Zetsu understood that he couldn’t have harmed Obito. Although the war was over , there was no end to hatred. People still continued killing each other. Obito was convinced that there was no hope for humanity and that’s why Zetsu decided to share Madara’s plan with him. Zetsu was also impressed by Obito’s abilities, which were really unique. Obito approved of Madara’s plan and joined Zetsu. As we  see from the anime/manga Tobi’s main source of information is Zetsu. So, Zetsu told Obito everything. Moreover, do you think  it’s coincidence that Tobi was teamed up with Zetsu when he appeared at first?
 
See, it’s really easy to come up with stories how Obito could have become Tobi and it’s truly child’s play for Kishi . I’ve got even better one , but I will keep it secret until Tobi’s identity is revealed.   You also wanted to know why Kishi doesn’t reveal Tobi’s mangekyo and here’s the answer. He keeps it secret ,because it’s identical to Kakashi’s one and he wants to reveal it before Tobi removes his mask , so that  it will be the ultimate  hint. There is no more sense in this. Hopefully, I answered all the questions you asked. Maybe Obito was a little bit obvious ,but the theory died when Kishi revealed Tobi to  have 2 eyes. That trick was supposed to make Obito less obvious and truly worked out. I was the only one who was able to see through it. Refer to  the parts of my theory where I talk about Tobi ‘s 2 sharingans.

You didn’t read my theory well did you ? I told you why Obito was 100000 times more important than Izuna. Obito appeared in 2 episode where Izuna had only screen time of 10 seconds   Obito’s only purpose wasn’t providing Kakashi with sharingan, otherwise Kishi could have made a random flashback just as he did with Izuna and he wouldn’t have made so many manga chapters about him.Friendship is the main idea of the show and Obito is the one who gave a lesson to Kakashi, which has been passed to generations. Seriously, I am tired of saying the same thing. Go to Manga 583 and you will find my theory there. Please read the part very carefully, where I talk about Obito’s importance. The most of the fans are kids and Kishi won’t something that will disappoint them. Most of them don’t remember who is Izuna,because they don’t pay attention to such random characters. Izuna was the one whose only purpose was to provide Madara with eyes.
It’s true that Obito appeared in 2 episodes,but that was enough for everyone to start praising and loving him, while nobody holds any kind of feeling towards Izuna. Besides, Izuna’s name isn’t mentioned either in Manga or Anime. I double checked it. It turns out that “Izuna” is fan made name loooooooool ..  I don’t understand why some people are so obsessed with Izuna , even the creator doesn’t  care about him so much that he didn’t gave the character name :d
If Izuna was important , Kishi would have shown us his character development .  The fact that nobody agrees with me doesn’t mean that they don’t want Obito to be tobi.  Most of them want the mystery to keep existing. However, the people who come here and read manga make up 1% of fans. They aren’t the only ones who watch this show. I know this because, I have lots of neighbors and classmates who who enjoy watching Naruto. Everyone expects Tobi to be familiar character and it will be middle finger to them if Kishi chooses a random one  and this is true for nearly all the fans(80-90%)
You said that there is mystery about Izuna,but there isn’t ,because Kishi hasn’t put a single hint which should make us suspect him.

“You also stated there is no character development for Izuna exactly
why he is the perfect Tobi he is the definition of a “nobody” who was the
forgotten younger brother”   > Sorry, but I couldn’t help laughing when I read this. You mean that Tobi calls himself nobody , because Kishi  hasn’t given us his character development?   OK , I know what you wanted to do . You wanted to come up with explanation why Tobi called himself nobody, however it’s a poor one. We both know very well why did that. He is obscure ninja in the history and that’s not definitely true for Madara’s brother. He was nearly as strong as Madara when he was alive and  he wouldn’t have called himself nobody for obvious reasons.

.” Now you
stated Tobis injurys the white goo out of his arms bandages etc. Ok first off this
happens with his whole body not just half. And how do we know this is of zetsu’s
doing there is no such evidence. ” ,  you are wrong , actually there is the evidence. That white goo is  the same thing that Zetsu is made up of. Moreover, Tobi possesses  Hashirama’s cells , otherwise he couldn’t have used Izanagi. We all know that Zetsu’s white part is made of the first Hokage’s cells , so Tobi has to be fused with zetsu .

The reason why Izuna didn’t  look like Tobi was  that he changed everything about him as you said, but it really doesn’t make any sense. Why would he want to change his appearance ?
I liked that you came up with explanation how could Izuna have survived or maintained his age  by giving examples of Orochimaru and Tsunade. However , neither of them explain anything.

The jutsu Orochimaru used was really rare and something that only could do. His true form was a snake and that’s how he was able to move from one body to another. Tobi definitely isn’t a huge white snake , is he? Even if Tobi used bodies in different way , then can u explain me why did his arm start melting when he got injured? Why didn’t blood started coming out of his hand? Tobi’s got his own body, but in poor condition. As for Tsunade’s jutsu it really keeps the user young ,but that doesn’t grant the user immortality. Tsunade herself told Orochimaru that human being isn’t immortal. So, Tsunade looks young ,but her body still continues dying. If Tobi used similar jutsu to look young , then you shouldn’t have “wrinkles” on his face . should he? The first step towards youth is removing wrinkles. In fact, Tsunade has none of them on her face and that;s why she looks so young.I’ve already proved that Tobi doesn’t use any kind of immortality jutsu. So, everything remains in the same way. TOBI COULDN’T HAVE SURVIVED SO LONG IF HE WAS IZUNA AND HE SHOULD LOOK OLDER THAN TSUCHIKAGE .

You are saying that it’s simply coincidence that Kakashi and Tobi have sharingans in opposite eyes. What about their abilities, because they are truly similar. Watch both Kakashi and Tobi perform their jutsus at the same time . We’ve seen 3 Uchiha’s (sasuke, itachi, madara) using nearly the same jutsus , well all of them used Susano at least, but none of them possess the some powers as Tobi and kakashi’s mangekyos do.As you see, Tobi’s ocular ability is really rare and it’s less likely to be  coincidence that Kakashi uses the same jutsu.

   You’ve missed some objections I made about Izuna theory and that’s why I am going to post it again.Tobi says that he respects Hashirama senju , but that’s not true for Madara. Watch Tsuchikage’s flashback, Madara doesn’t want to hear the first Hokage’s name. Briefly, he is too arrogant to respect someone, he even underestimates kages and compares their battle to a game. That’s why Tobi can’t be someone who was close to Madara. He obviously doesn’t know Madara’s personality and attitude towards Hashirama senju.What’s more, you said that Izuna stole someone’s eyes but you didn’t
explain how he could do that.Seriosuly, have u ever seen a blind person? Blind people are totally hopeless, they hardly walk and need to touch things in order to learn where to go.Can you really imagine  how  blind Izuna steals someone’s eyes? Dude , there is no way blind person could have been match for Uchiha with sharingan.Moreover,   How do you explain that the stolen has the powers equal to mangekyo sharingan? Do you mean that there was another person who had  awakened Mangekyo aside from Madara and izuna? According to Uchiha history, Madara and his brother were the first ones who possessed Mangekyo and nothing is said about other members.Madara became the leader of the Uchiha clan ,because he was the only one with Mangekyo. Again ,. he couldn’t have left the village  , he couldn’t have done anything without anyone noticing him, because he was the only one was blind!!!  If he was alive sensory type ninjas would have sensed him and told everyone about it . Madara isn’t retarded to have said that Izuna is dead. Madara says that his brother is not alive , that’s enough proof. 

 I really liked that you tried to come up with  explanations and made up some stories too. However, unlike my theory , your one is only based on assumptions and random thoughts. It’s not strengthened by proofs and evidences from  Manga/anime. I could have also made theory why Tobi was Kagami, explained how he lost his sharingan in the war, how badly he was injured etc. but it would have made equal sense as yours, because there is no single evidences that would have supported my theory.  All my question still remain unanswered . Here they are : 

 TOBI DECIDED TO REVEAL HIS IDENTITY WHEN HE FOUGHT WITH NARUTO. WHY DIDN’T HE SAY THAT HE WAS THE BROTHER OF MADARA?  WHY DID HE CALL HIMSELF NOBODY ?(this is really good proof ,why Izuna isn’t Tobi)How could Izuna have survived so long? Why doesn’t he look older than Tsuchikage?Why doesn’t he look like Tobi at all?
How
was he able to obtain sharingan? Why did he implant only a single eye?
Why does Tobi have bandages on his body when he meets Kisame? Why does
he have bandages also on his forehead when he fights with Konan? Why
does his limbs start melting whenever he gets injured?Why do Tobi and
Kakashi have sharingans in the opposite eyes like Kakashi and Obito? Why
are their ocular abilities so similar? Why doesn’t kakashi’s kamui work
on Tobi? Why does Tobi have the same face features and hair style as
Obito? Kakashi’s gaiden was supposed to be the first episodes of
shippuden, however they released  just some episodes before Tobi calls
himself  Madara. Why did they do that? Why Kishi persistently keeps
secret how Kakashi got his Mangekyo? Why doesn’t he reveal Tobi’s one ?

In conclusion,  Izuna theory has got lot’s of flaws. You tried really hard to convince me , but that wasn’t enough. There aren’t any evidences why Tobi is Izuna,while there are lot’s of against him. The theory itself is too weak and doomed to failure. You don’t have to squeeze your brain to come up with answers, because, believe it or not, all the questions have
only a single answer and a simple one. Tobi is Obito Uchiha, that’s all Don’t worry , you are not the first one who wasn’t able to prove me wrong. Even my classmates ,who generally disagree with me,  can’t find any flaws to my theory and therefore they always become silent when I open my mouth

I’ve really enjoyed  having discussion with you. You are one of the few  people I had meaningful interaction with . Thank you for expressing your opinion , I was really pleased to hear you out. Some of your thoughts even helped me to make my theory more solid. .Unfortunately, our duel or whatever it is has come to an end and it will be really nice of you if you admit defeat, That’s something nobody has ever done and you will truly be special if you do :):):):). 
It’s simply a matter of dignity. Thank you one more time for everything  and good luck!

P.S THUMBS UP IF IZUNA CAN’T BE TOBI
   

…i know this is random, since everyone is talking about tobi, but where the fuck has sasuke’s dark side wandered off to? Is it just me or has he been seeming…less…crazy lately *actually we havent seen him lately since we keep getting these flashbacks, but wateva* if he DOES turn FULLY good (and one that happens my face will look like a stunned pokemon saying: holy shitta! hes… less creepy now!) i think itachi will turn him all good in shit-BUT-he will still have his fight with naruto. he will test to see whether itachi was right to stay in konaha *i think itachi will say something like that* by seeing if naruto- the person who stayed in konaha and got strong – could beat him or if he -who left konaha and got strong- beats naruto and stays evil. and if naruto beats him *and we all know that he will* he might think he might have gotten as strong as naruto *who stayed in the leaf* if he just would have stayed at home~

AND THEN A BUNCH OF SASUSAKU STUFF HAPPENS!!! //slapped//
lmao jk

and then once hes being lead into the interrogation room (its not like hes just going to prance right in konaha saying: hey honey, i’m home~!) hes going to think: itachi, is this…what you wanted? have i lived up to your expectations?     and then its going to say a bunch of other heart warming stuff that i’m too lazy to type so im going to just leave it at that XDD *OR there could be a more cruel version and sasuke dies- or they both die)
 ANYWHO~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this is my OPINION.
O.P.I.N.I.O.N
i know some parts might be a little cheesy, but i’m not going to go deep into dialouge about the final fight. maybe someday i will but not now. now, lets all just think what WE want to think and stop forcing our opinions down peoples throats, and getting in big fights (seriously man, cool it with the fights) we all have our thoughts about things, and now we just need to respect others opinions untill the end of the series (then by that time there wont really be anything to fight about)
i know theres alot of typos. dont get pissed about it. its just a typo. oh and some of this might not make sense XDD i just came up with this thought on the tip of my head, so im not really going to look it over to see if it makes sense *lazy* XDD
anywho, if you just read all this i must applaud you. you just read some random long ass essay of my oppinion, and your probably thinking: why the hell did i read this? the answer is simple. you are an awesome person

and with that, i am done with the long ass essay

no manga this week…? i guess 585 comes out next wednesday?

uh huh so kabuto took orochimarus blood afteer he died and absorved it

same powers and the haircut

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 is there any chapter this week???????????????????????

So…. about how many candidates are there for who Tobi is? Obito, Kagami, Izuna, Madara, and my personal favorite, Shisui. Anyone else I haven’t heard of? Besides Zetzu because that one just seems plain silly.

hey anybody? if the fire country has the “will of fire”, the iwagakure the “stone will”…. what is the will of the other ninja villages?